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#157883 - 30/04/2003 05:31 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: Roger]
CrackersMcCheese
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But if you receive an order confirmation (as a couple of people have) is this an agreement of sale? I suppose the case could be argued if you could be bothered taking it all the way.

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#157884 - 30/04/2003 05:36 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
andy
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In the amazon.co.uk case the order acknowledgement doesn't mean that they have agreed to sell it to you at that price. Their terms and conditions clearly state that the contract doesn't start until they charge your credit card and ship the goods.
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#157885 - 30/04/2003 05:38 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: pgrzelak]
jarob10
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Registered: 07/01/2002
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Loc: Stockport, UK
Can someone grab me one also ? I too am afflicted with a UK postal address.

Just one will be fine - dont wanna be greedy
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#157886 - 30/04/2003 05:45 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: jarob10]
CrackersMcCheese
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Now out of stock!!

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#157887 - 30/04/2003 05:47 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: Laura]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
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Loc: Yorkshire UK
It's showing "out of stock" now! Somebody's woken up and spotted it!

Be Eck, yer fast on the draw, O'hare!


Edited by boxer (30/04/2003 05:49)
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#157888 - 30/04/2003 05:53 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
Jerz
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LMAO!

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#157889 - 30/04/2003 06:00 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: boxer]
CrackersMcCheese
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Someone will lose their job for this... maybe they'd already lost it and hence the price! 0.00001% chance of getting away with this. Depends how automatic the sale chain is I suppose. The person who packs it won't care!

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#157890 - 30/04/2003 06:04 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
djc
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Registered: 08/08/2000
Posts: 351
Loc: chicago
if the experience of last year's fire sale holds true, the sonicblue order chain is not very automatic. it will be interesting to see if any orders get beyond the "waiting to process" status.

--dan.

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#157891 - 30/04/2003 06:10 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: djc]
pgrzelak
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Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

The out of stock message may be tied to a real time inventory. I doubt anyone is seriously awake out there yet. At least, if my other dealings with the e-store are any indication.
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#157892 - 30/04/2003 06:13 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: djc]
davec
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Registered: 18/08/2000
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Loc: Georgetown, TX USA
it will be interesting to see if any orders get beyond the "waiting to process" status.

In case they do get shipped, and anyone has an extra, I'd be willing to pay more than $5.01 for one. I'm not afflicted with the UK address syndrome, (I'm Texan!) but since I got in late on the blow out news, I'm without the potential windfall opportunity. So if anyone has an extra, I'm wanting!
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#157893 - 30/04/2003 06:13 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: jarob10]
David
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Registered: 05/05/2000
Posts: 623
Loc: Cambridge
> Can someone grab me one also ? I too am afflicted with a UK postal address.

Me too! If whoever is in charge of the eStore does decide to honour the price, I'll kick myself for not asking now.

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#157894 - 30/04/2003 06:15 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: pgrzelak]
CrackersMcCheese
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We're all assuming its a mistake, but this may be SonicBlue's way of thanking its customers.

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#157895 - 30/04/2003 06:16 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
pgrzelak
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now that's funny!

By the way, what does one of these really go for?


Edited by pgrzelak (30/04/2003 06:18)
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#157896 - 30/04/2003 06:22 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: pgrzelak]
CrackersMcCheese
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not sure, but at least $400 i'd imagine

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#157897 - 30/04/2003 06:23 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: pgrzelak]
phi144
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Registered: 15/02/2002
Posts: 314
Loc: New Hampshire, USA
I remember seeing them for around $1500.

I had to give it a shot. I ordered two early this morning.
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#157898 - 30/04/2003 06:34 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: davec]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
In case they do get shipped, and anyone has an extra, I'd be willing to pay more than $5.01 for one. I'm not afflicted with the UK address syndrome, (I'm Texan!) but since I got in late on the blow out news, I'm without the potential windfall opportunity. So if anyone has an extra, I'm wanting!
Me, too! Me, too!

(Except I'm not Texan.)
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#157899 - 30/04/2003 06:38 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: David]
Phoenix42
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Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
wow crazy!
too late to buy one now anyways

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#157900 - 30/04/2003 06:42 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: Phoenix42]
russmeister
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Registered: 14/07/2002
Posts: 344
Loc: South Carolina
I was lucky enough to get into work just in time this morning and order my 5. I had to ponder the issue first, though, because it just seemed to good to be true. I believe I was one of the last few to order.
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#157901 - 30/04/2003 06:54 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: russmeister]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
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Loc: Atlanta, GA
it just seemed to good to be true.
Probably is. I'll be very interested to hear if anyone gets issued a tracking number.

As for whether this was a mistake (or disgruntled employee), you'd think they would have listed it under clearance items if they were simply trying to reduce inventory. Still, if they had wanted to get rid of the last few without a hassle, this would have been a quick way to do it.
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#157902 - 30/04/2003 06:55 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: andy]
genixia
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I can't find anything on the SB site that states that the order is only accepted when shipped. It does state that my cc will not be charged until after shipping, which may be an attempt to mitigrate such 'problems'.

However, I have a printout of my order confirmation. It contains an Order Number and the phrase "Completion Date: 4/30/2003 5:03:00 AM PST". It also indicates that my payment information has been routed and processed, and furthermore, states "Thank You For Your Purchase". I don't know what the "Web Authorization Code" is or hence what bearing it may have, but everything else indicates to me that my order has been *accepted* by SonicBlue, and nothing on the web site expressly states otherwise.

We shall see
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#157903 - 30/04/2003 06:58 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: genixia]
JeffS
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I don't know, based on what others have said about the Amazon UK case it might not be a contract until it is shipped. I wish somebody had a U.S. case example.
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#157904 - 30/04/2003 07:02 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: genixia]
genixia
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Not only that, but I received an email;
Subject: Your SONICblue Order Confirmation. Order #xxxxxx

Dear xxxx,

Thank you for ordering from SONICblue. This email is a summary of your order. Please keep this email in a safe place, as it is proof of your purchase

I can't see how that they can apply any post-conditions to that order. IANAL, but unless pre-existing statutes exist that allow otherwise, it looks like a solid, accepted and confirmed order.

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#157905 - 30/04/2003 07:02 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: JeffS]
antbankz
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Registered: 11/01/2002
Posts: 25
Loc: SA, Texas
Ugh, I always miss out on the fun. I'd been waiting for something like that to happen too.

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#157906 - 30/04/2003 07:17 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: genixia]
genixia
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...and from findlaw.com;
The Uniform Electronic Transactions Act

The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws (NCCUSL) adopted the UETA on July 29, 1999. The UETA's purpose is to provide a uniform national framework governing use and application of electronic transactions. First enacted in California, the UETA had been enacted by ten states by April 24, 2000, and fifteen other jurisdictions had legislation pending.

The act defines the terms "record," "electronic record," and "electronic signature" and provides as a general rule that electronic records and signatures satisfy legal requirements that a record be in writing or signed. The UETA also applies only to transactions between parties when each has agreed to conduct transactions by electronic means. Some types of transactions will be exempt. Although the UETA is intended to have broad application, laws governing the creation and execution of wills, codicils, or testamentary trusts and, if desired by the enacting state, transactions governed by the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) or the Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act (UCITA) will be excluded from the statute's affect.

The UETA contains provisions governing provision or transmission of information in electronic form, attribution of electronic records and signatures, distributing risk of error in electronic transmissions, and retention of "original" electronic records. Other provisions govern automated electronic transactions or the use of so-called electronic "agents" and acceptance of electronic records and signatures by governmental agencies.

The UETA also creates a form of electronic negotiable instrument, called a "transferable record." As long as an entity has "control" of the transferable record, it is a holder of the record as defined by UCC § 1-201(20) and has the same rights and defenses as a holder of a negotiable instrument or document under UCC Articles 3, 7 and 9. The requirements of delivery, possession and endorsement are eliminated. A person has "control" over the record if "a system employed for evidencing the transfer of interests in the transferable record reliably established that person as the person to which the transferable records was issued or transferred." This requirement can be met by a system that creates, stores, and assigns the transferable record in a manner that satisfies six specific conditions enumerated in the UETA.

Since SB are in California, they are subject to this. As I understand it, that means that any email or web-receipt such as those above are legally acceptable.
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#157907 - 30/04/2003 07:20 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: antbankz]
Happy Birthday larry818
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Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 1033
Loc: Fullerton, Calif.
Drat, being in California, I too woke up too late to get in on this....

Sure hope it happens for the rest of ya! Good luck!


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#157908 - 30/04/2003 07:20 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: genixia]
CrackersMcCheese
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Chickens and counting come to mind. I REALLY hope you guys get them... I'd love one as part of my separates system!

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#157909 - 30/04/2003 07:23 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: genixia]
LTJBukem
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Registered: 18/07/2001
Posts: 299
Did I get ear-marked for one ?
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#157910 - 30/04/2003 07:25 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: LTJBukem]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5914
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
Did I get ear-marked for one ?

Likewise, did anyone have me down for one, assuming the impossible happens.
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#157911 - 30/04/2003 07:26 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: andy]
CrackersMcCheese
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Someone had you down Andy... I saw you somewhere.

Mach has you listed


Edited by PhilipOHare (30/04/2003 07:28)

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#157912 - 30/04/2003 07:27 Re: oops sonic blue needs to check the prices [Re: andy]
antbankz
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Registered: 11/01/2002
Posts: 25
Loc: SA, Texas
Me too, I'd love to get one of these if they really decide to let them go at the price.

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