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#275245 - 23/02/2006 18:00 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Neutrino]
Neutrino
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So how are your Roombas working? About the only downside I see is that it seems to spend a LOT of time under the couches. They must be REALLY clean under there.
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#275246 - 23/02/2006 18:39 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Neutrino]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Yeah. It seems to be easy for them to get under there and much harder for them to get out. Then again, maybe they're doing their "dirt detection" thing. I know the carpet under my couch hasn't been vacuumed in ages.

My only problem is that it has trouble getting on top of some of my rugs. In one case, the short edges of the rug curl up a little. I can probably figure out how to tack them down. In the other case, it's an oriental rug whose pile is a little too thick for it and it always bounces off. I really need to figure out a solution for that.
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#275247 - 23/02/2006 18:53 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Neutrino]
matthew_k
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Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
Ours at one point got trapped in a maze of two dining room chairs placed next to each other. After about five minutes of watching it bounce around the same five square feet we took pitty on it and moved the chairs. I'm sure it would have found an exit trajectory eventually, but I'm not sure when.

Our floors are certainly a lot more clean with the roomba. It's a horrible vacuum, but it's so much better than having to vacuum yourself.

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#275248 - 23/02/2006 19:52 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Neutrino]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
I took both of my roombas to work and let them run around in the evenings for entertainment (yah, I know, I'm easily amused).
The old one still has the annoying '8-beeps' problem.
I'm going to try swapping in the new battery and see if that changes anything. Hmm, I could also swap out the new bin, as it contains the vacuum motor that is the origin of the alert message. Nice to have some experiments on the agenda, but not nice to not have much time to try things (work is crazy right now).
Otherwise, my new Discovery is working great and it's fun to see some of the differences in path strategy. Docking is greatly enhanced, that's for sure.
Had both of them running around my office once- they'd bump each other and try to do a 'roll-out' maneuver around each other.
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#275249 - 24/02/2006 04:03 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Neutrino]
adavidw
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Registered: 10/11/2000
Posts: 497
Loc: Utah, USA
Holy cat hair, Batman! We've only got one cat, but just running the Roomba in the kitchen was enough to pick up more cat hair than I thought was possible to have in a kitchen (without huge visible clump, of course).

I do have a problem in one room that has pretty deep pile carpeting. The Roomba does fine on that, but once it hits the rug that's on top of that, it just kind of sits there spinning its wheels.

I had another problem when my son dumped a half a box of Lucky Charms on the kitchen floor. Rather than pick it up, I just put the Roomba on it. When i came back a few minutes later, Roomba was making a horrible sound and smelling bad. I picked it up and saw that there were a couple of pieces of cereal that were large enough to get lodged above the beater bar without making it all the way in to the bin. The repeated spinning of the beater bar had actually worn/burned the rubber on the beater bar. I thought it was weird that the Roomba started to disintegrate before the cereal, but that's due to the magical deliciousness, I guess.

Other than that, the problems I have aren't Roomba's but mine, such as having a nasty habit of leaving way too much crap on the floor instead of putting it away.
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#275250 - 24/02/2006 20:02 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Neutrino]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
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So how are your Roombas working?

Mine stopped working correctly about 5 minutes after being unboxed.

I called customer service and they were very nice. They had me box up and RMA the following:

- The malfunctioning roomba itself without its battery.
- The perfectly good charger and dock.

I'm wondering why they make me send the charger, but oh well, I follow their instructions.

Wait a few weeks, and on my front porch appears a box. Inside the box:

- A perfectly working roomba.
- Nothing else.

GAAAAHHHH.
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#275251 - 26/02/2006 02:01 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Robotic]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
Quote:
...experiments on the agenda...

The winning combination was putting the new Roomba's dust bin (with its new vacuum motor) into the old Roomba and vice-versa.
It works because the old Roomba software worries too much about the vacuum motor circuit- the new motor alleviates that.
The new Roomba's software doesn't care so much about the vacuum circuit, so it's happy with the older motor.
And there was much rejoicing!

It's quite a hoot to see the two of them at work. Big areas get cleaned in a hurry!
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#275252 - 26/02/2006 05:04 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Robotic]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
Does anyone have a new code? The "VALENTIN" code has expired as well.
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#275253 - 26/02/2006 16:56 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Dignan]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
Quote:
Does anyone have a new code? The "VALENTIN" code has expired as well.

Quoth the Amazon link:
Quote:
Product Promotions
* Save 10% on each participating item when you spend $25.00 or more on Kitchen & Housewares or Bed & Bath products offered by Amazon.com. Enter code IODISCNT at checkout. Here's how (restrictions apply)

Matthew also mentioned the IODISCNT somewhere above.
(EDIT: whups- not mentioned in this thread, but in the Dyson thread:
http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/276621/an//page//vc/1 )
The price at Amazon is now 170 - 25 = $145, although there is mention of $125 'new and used' links.
Fun fun fun!


Edited by Robotic (26/02/2006 17:00)
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#275254 - 26/02/2006 17:10 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Robotic]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
Do they just keep changing the promo code to their own sale every month? That's dumb.

Anyway, thanks, I might pick one up!
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#275255 - 18/03/2006 05:22 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Dignan]
jbauer
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Registered: 08/05/2000
Posts: 1429
Loc: San Francisco, CA
Back from my trip and I want to order one now. Anyone know where I can get it at 135 or so still?

Amazon has the refurbished one listed for a lot more now...

- Thanx
- Jon

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#275256 - 18/03/2006 07:45 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: tfabris]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Update on my Roomba:

2006-Jan-30: Ordered.

2006-Feb-06: Arrived. Unpacked. First cleaning cycle begins.
2006-Feb-06 + 00:05:00: Drive failure on one wheel.
2006-Feb-06 + 00:10:00: Called and left message with support.

2006-Feb-07: Support gets back to me, has me send in:
- Roomba
- charger
- dock
despite the problem clearly not being dock or charger related. I spend about 15.00 for shipping.

2006-Feb-24: Arrived:
- Roomba
- no charger
- no dock
2006-Feb-24 + 00:00:00.0000001: Called support. Charger and dock are backordered from supplier. Expect next week.

2006-Feb-24 + 1 week: Arrived:
- Nothing.

2006-Mar-07: Called support (now on speed dial). Left message.

2006-Mar-14: Arrived:
- Charger
- No dock.

2006-Mar-15: Support finally calls back.
"Our records show you received your charger yesterday."
"Nice of you to call back, EIGHT DAYS LATER thank you very much. Yes, I got the charger but not the dock."
"Oh, that's back ordered."
"For the umpteenth time, why did they even have me send the charger and the dock in the first place? Can't you just send back the perfectly good ones I sent you?"
"No, I'm sorry, returns go to a completely different building, in a completely different city, in a completely different state, and it's out of our control."
"Gah. When will I be able to actually use this product I bought?"
"You can use it now, the charger plugs directly in."
"Part of the reason I wanted this thing was that it would auto-dock and self-charge when it was done cleaning. Having to pick up a robot and plug it in the charger sort of defeats the purpose of it being a robot in the first place."
"Well, there's nothing we can do."
"Sigh. Okay, when will the DOCKS be available for shipment?"
"We don't know."
"CLICK. GAAAAAAAAAH."

2006-Mar-16: Roomba is fun, works as advertised, but I still have to plug it in by hand. Still awaiting dock.

Note time between purchase and actual use of product: 1.5 months, and product is still missing a major critical part.
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#275257 - 18/03/2006 13:06 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: tfabris]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I say the heck with it and go play some roomba frogger
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#275258 - 18/03/2006 17:01 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: msaeger]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Yeah, saw that a couple of days ago. Hilarious.
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#275259 - 18/03/2006 18:14 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: jbauer]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
Quote:
Back from my trip and I want to order one now. Anyone know where I can get it at 135 or so still?

Amazon has the refurbished one listed for a lot more now...

- Thanx
- Jon

With the latest "$25 off" code the price is $145. That's only $10 more than the previous price; still a good deal, IMO.
Code is listed on the Amazon site as SPRINGIN.

Just lent out one of my Roomba's to a cow-orker who wanted to try it out around his house.
Still dreaming of the day I'll have a lawn large enough to make a RoboMower worthwhile.
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#275260 - 18/03/2006 18:17 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Robotic]
jbauer
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Registered: 08/05/2000
Posts: 1429
Loc: San Francisco, CA
Quote:
With the latest "$25 off" code the price is $145. That's only $10 more than the previous price; still a good deal, IMO.
Code is listed on the Amazon site as SPRINGIN.(snip)


Thank you! Code worked. Roomba ordered.

- Jon

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#275261 - 14/04/2006 16:32 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: jbauer]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
I ordered my own Roomba last week. I just got it off ebay since Amazon now only has it for $199 before rebate. I paid a bit less.

The main reason I got it was to clean my office. I keep a lot of computer equipment in here, so it has to be locked when I'm not around, which means that the cleaning crew doesn't get a chance to get at it. As a result my office hasn't been vacuumed in over a year, which is pretty nasty. There's so much dust in here that it gets kicked up and I can feel it on my fingers, and I must look like I have OCD because I wash my hands nearly 15 times a day.

Well, after one run by the Roomba, I'm not getting that feeling anymore. It's funny, I didn't think the little guy was doing much, because a lot of little bits weren't getting picked up. I saw it go over one of those little pieces you get from a hole puncher, and two feet later it dropped it on the ground. Well, after the Roomba was done I emptied everything, and the filter was completely clogged. It was just caked with dust and other crap, so I'm sure it was just having a hard time sucking enough to air to get bigger stuff.

I'm going to run it again in a few minutes. I love this thing! Now I want a Scooba!
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#275262 - 15/04/2006 00:32 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Dignan]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Thanks for the "office" post... I've followed the Roomba casually sicne it was first announced and played briefly with them at CES last year. I have more than a strong feeling that I wouldn't be happy with the Roomba on my main floors, due to space and furniture constraints. But I'm just renovating my basement and turning it into an office. All smooth Maple laminate floors and since it's a work in progress I can plan for a Roomba... I'll make sure not to put in anything that will trap/wedge the Roomba under it for instance.

Now if only they were working on a flying model that did the dusting...

Bruno
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#275263 - 15/04/2006 11:41 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: hybrid8]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
Maybe you want a Scooba? I dunno, will you want to mop the laminate?

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#275264 - 15/04/2006 11:42 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Robotic]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
Quote:
Still dreaming of the day I'll have a lawn large enough to make a RoboMower worthwhile.


Amusingly I may end up putting my robomower in storage or selling it, because in all likelihood I will rent a place with no lawn!

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#275265 - 15/04/2006 12:00 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Daria]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
The Scooba looks like it requires a lot more human intervention (no self-charging base) plus it uses proprietary consumables. I think the Scheduler would likely be the right choice for me. I'd set it up to do its thing every day in the wee hours of the morning. I think the hardest part of this whole process is going to be laying out the office to make the Roomba as effective as possible. Of course the number one priority is a layout that will make the people working in it their most effective.

Bruno
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#275266 - 15/04/2006 21:25 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: tfabris]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Update on my Roomba.

Just got the home charger base in the mail, 2006-04-13

Based on my previously posted timeline, it has been nearly 3.5 months between product purchase, and fully functioning product with all the parts.
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#275267 - 16/04/2006 03:28 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: tfabris]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
Jeez, Tony- could you have just bought another one and sent the first one back?
Hope you can enjoy it- even after such a headache.
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#275268 - 17/04/2006 12:59 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Dignan]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1522
Loc: Arizona
Quote:
I love this thing! Now I want a Scooba!


I love my Scooba. The color is kinda bleh, something like a powder baby blue, but it works great.

It does require more human intervention. You have to remove the battery to charge it. Before using it, you have to fill the tank with water and add the soap. During the cleaning, you might have to empty the tank and refill it (with more soap). There are a lot of little parts, filters and such, that you will eventually have to replace, but I'm sure just rinsing them off will help extend the life.

There are some differences from the Roomba, sucha as using different virtual walls. The battery recharger isn't that bothersome, but I've only recharged it once when I first got the unit.

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#275269 - 17/04/2006 15:10 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Tim]
jbauer
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Registered: 08/05/2000
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Loc: San Francisco, CA
Hi Tim,

The Scooba sounds good in what it does, but it also sounds very unfriendly to use... or maybe I'm just spoiled since the normal Roomba is so easy to use.

I love coming home after having pushed the "clean" button and finding my Roomba docked and charging. It was busy cleaning my place while I was out doing something else. It warms my heart... :-)

Maybe Scooba v2 will be self docking and easy to clean... (note that I'm guessing there will be a Scooba v2). Oh hey, btw - I have a funny iRobot story for you. My lil sis, who lives in MA, told me that she actually dated the guy that started iRobot. She says that he was absolutely obsessed with the technology, as you'd expect he'd be. He was working on the Scooba when she dated him... That's the story - not too exciting, but somewhat iRobot related...

- Jon

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#275270 - 17/04/2006 15:38 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Tim]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
The Scooba did seem like a little more work, but then again it's a lot less of a mess than a mop and bucket.

I think the appeal of the Scooba is that when compared to what it's replacing (a person mopping), I think it would do a superior job. That's compared to the general idea of a Roomba, which technically does an inferior job at what it does compared to what it's replacing (a standard vacuum).

Anyway, I may also wait until their next version of the product, but having seen what you have to do to run one, I think I'd prefer it to the alternative

*edit*
I have to add, the Roomba is a fiancee-approved gadget. I get the nifty gadget that lets me do less house work, and she gets the knowledge that it will be in our shared home some day, cleaning our floors instead of one of us doing it


Edited by Dignan (17/04/2006 15:41)

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#275271 - 17/04/2006 15:40 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Dignan]
jbauer
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Registered: 08/05/2000
Posts: 1429
Loc: San Francisco, CA
Haha - yeah, true.

- Jon

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#275272 - 18/04/2006 11:44 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Dignan]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1522
Loc: Arizona
The Scooba is a lot easier than sweeping then mopping the old fashioned way. It really doesn't take all that much effort to get it up and going. You pop open the tank, fill it with water, put some soap in the reservoir, put the tank into the Scooba and hit the clean button.

After it is done, you remove the tank and empty it, pop out the battery to recharge it, and put the Scooba away. I also just do a cursory check on the filters to see if they are in need of being replaced (haven't replaced any yet). It really is a lot easier than manual mopping

-- Tim

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#275273 - 18/04/2006 11:55 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: Tim]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
If you have to write instructions like that (some would call them excuses ) then it doesn't sound much like a robot. It's no more a robot than a toy car that randomly bounced from wall to wall in 1978. It's an electric self-guided mop.

It definitely needs automated, self-seeking charging that works 100% of the time, automated dumping and filling station (where it would take in water and cleaning solution). It should also have an inspection mode where it goes around quickly (when no one's around) to just check the floors to see if they need to be cleaned - but don't actually dispense any solutions or do any cleaning until it's done the scan. And it needs to talk to other appliances on a network, including other Scooba and Roomba units.

The Roomba should be updated with much of the same abilities. When locating it's charging dock, it should not have to search. It should know exactly where it is. Either through tracking its movement, or better yet, through a homing beacon/signal. Automatic unloading of the garbage it picks up is a MUST. Hopefully into a central vacuum slot/inlet.

And when it senses that someone has stolen the pans to the DeathStar, it should offer to make a holographic recording for them.

Bruno
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#275274 - 18/04/2006 13:50 Re: Refurbished Roomba - $135 [Re: hybrid8]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Quote:
When locating it's charging dock, it should not have to search. It should know exactly where it is.

I agree, but then it would have been too expensive for me to buy one.

Heck, it was too expensive even at its original retail price. Only the refurbs were within my price range.

I guess part of the reason the price had to come down that far for me: because I knew it wasn't a robot, and I wasn't gonna pay that much for something that cleans randomly. At the 150.00 price point, a random non-robot automatic floor sweeper was in my budget.
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