v3a8 Release?

Posted by: Shonky

v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 15:41

Soooo.... it's been about 3 weeks since the meet. Any chance on v3a8 being released to the rest of us plebs? I think it was mentioned that the empeg guys would let it go for a few weeks to see how good it was.

I think the main concern was any show stopping bugs but I don't believe there are any big ones. Even most of the big ones have already been worked around by the good Mr Lord.

Don't want to be pushy but .... uhm ... well ... I want it
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 16:52

D3wd iTs LIk3 t0Ta11y wAr3z3d oN biTT0rr3nT aLr3aDy...
Posted by: drakino

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 17:42

Who let Tony have it? He wasn't at the meet :-P
Posted by: JBjorgen

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 17:46

Now I just need a link to the .torrent...
Posted by: andym

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 18:12

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Who let Tony have it? He wasn't at the meet :-P


Isn't he one of the l33t aLpHa p0s5e anyway?
Posted by: JrFaust

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 19:38

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D3wd iTs LIk3 t0Ta11y wAr3z3d oN biTT0rr3nT aLr3aDy...


Wow that makes my eyes hurt. What does that say in english?
My hack-fu is not strong.
Posted by: ricin

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 19:42

"Dude, it's like totally warezed on bittorrent already."
Posted by: JaBZ

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 20:03

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Posted by: pgrzelak

Re: v3a8 Release? - 02/08/2004 20:34

That was actually painful to read. Hmmm... Google in leet speak. Scary!
Posted by: Shonky

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 06:48

Umm so do you guys really have 3a8 or are we just being silly?

Could the empeg guys comment?
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 07:02

I can just picture Monty Python's "Silly Police" storming the boards!
Posted by: rob

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 08:24

We're a bit too busy with new products to think about releasing a car player alpha right now. Anyone with the CD is welcome to share that with friends/colleagues but please don't post it online. We will make a more official release when we have time to review lessons learned from the Amersfoort release.

Rob
Posted by: Shonky

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 09:00

OK Thanks Rob. I can appreciate that.
Posted by: matthew_k

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 14:47

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Anyone with the CD is welcome to share that with friends/colleagues

Anyone care to share with a friend? I'm anxiously awaiting Auto EQ.

Matthew
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 14:58

I'm finally getting brave enough to try this too...

What was the agreed upon US mic?
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 16:25

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What was the agreed upon US mic?

Haven't found one yet. Anxiously awaiting.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 16:36

The RatShack 270-101 seems to be the right sort of thing and has only two leads, so maybe that'll work. I'll drop by the RS after work and pick one up.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 16:55

That's unidirectional...
Posted by: Waterman981

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 17:05

I have this one sitting here in front of me. It is made to go on a PCB, but I'm sure it can be worked around. I need to solder some wires to it and try it out.
Posted by: gbeer

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 17:38

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That's unidirectional...


Why is Omni directional better in this usage? I sort of assumed the mic was placed in front of each speaker while some sort of calibration took place.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 17:39

Nope. Just hold it at your head, be quiet, and wait.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 17:41

No, the mic is placed in a position that is close to where you would listen to the music (ie about your head location) and it sets a single global EQ setting based on that one sample.

If you placed the mic near a speaker, you would only get a nice EQ for that speaker, not for all the other speakers and not taking into account phase, reflections, and the upholstery soaking up frequencies.

If the mic is not omnidirectional, then it's almost as bad as sticking the mic in front of a speaker, i.e., it's not behaving like your ears behave and won't give as good of an approximation of the overall sound of the car's interior.
Posted by: mcomb

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 18:07

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Anyone care to share with a friend?

Oh, oh, me too.

-Mike
Posted by: antbankz

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 19:09

It would be really cool if someone sent me "the ISO" of that CD. I love testing this stuff.

-Ant
Posted by: SonicSnoop

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 20:12

I wasnt really wanting to get into the alpha software but since it has the autoEQ I want to try it out. Would someone be so kind and share with me too? Also if it doesnt work out well for me can i easily go back to v2? Do I loose all the music on my players when changing versions? Thanks!
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 04/08/2004 20:25

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Do I loose all the music on my players when changing versions?

No, but your database rebuilds will get hosed and you might have to do this and/or this. I usually end up having to do both after bouncing back and forth between versions.

Also, this last time I bounced back and forth between 2.0 and 3.0 a couple of times, I got some severe playlist corruption, where playlists that were originally three levels down in the tree inexplicably appeared in the root. I hadn't gotten around to reporting that one yet because I'd been doing so much back-and-forth and synching with different emplode versions that I was afraid it was something I'd caused to happen myself. Anyway, I had to delete all my playlists and restore from a backup using riobackup.jar.
Posted by: AndrewT

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 17:52

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Quote:
Anyone care to share with a friend?

Oh, oh, me too.

-Mike


What he said
Posted by: andym

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 18:23

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Anyone care to share with a friend? I'm anxiously awaiting Auto EQ.


Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.
Posted by: srhodes

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 18:29

Typical. I've been away for a couple of months, I decide to investigate the use of Wendy Flags (sick of my gf moaning about some of my music) and what do I find? A newer version of emphatic and the lrcdb is finally up and running. So, I'm looking for the latest version of 3. Seems that there is too much weird behaviour before a8 and it's so tantalisingly close. Anyone with a CD wanna burn me a copy and send it? Do ya, huh? Do ya?

I can then give the animated logo graphic that SkunkNumber did for me a go as I tried a few times on v2 and gave up.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 18:37

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I tried a few times on v2 and gave up.

V3 does not have any different behavior with regard to the animated logos. In fact, if you weren't able to get an animated logo working with V2, then V3 will just make things worse because it is alpha and is less stable than V2.

What you need, most likely, is merely the latest version of Jemplode; he recently fixed some bugs with animated logo handling. You need the latest Hijack, too, of course. Remember that instructions on how to install an animated logo are here. Just use Jemplode to open up the GIF file that Skunk made for you, and send it to the player.
Posted by: mcomb

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 19:04

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Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.

While I am quite interested in the auto eq feature I was also hoping for some bug fixes. I've been running a7 for quite a while now and I'd love some stability improvements. Of course, I don't know if a8 actually has any stability improvements since I haven't seen a changelog. Nevertheless, I am already running an alpha version and a bigger number has to be better right So, if anybody feels like sharing please send me a PM.

-Mike
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 19:09

If you want stability improvements, then you need 2.0.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 19:10

There's no reason that immediately occurs to me that would prevent you from running 3.0a8 to generate AutoEQ, make sure you save the EQ, then revert to 2.0. Is there?
Posted by: mcomb

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 19:15

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If you want stability improvements, then you need 2.0.


Nah, I just want a happy medium Call it worthwhile instability.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 19:18

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There's no reason that immediately occurs to me that would prevent you from running 3.0a8 to generate AutoEQ, make sure you save the EQ, then revert to 2.0. Is there?

Precisely what I was intending to do.

Problem for me right now is finding a mic that's sensitive enough to do the job...
Posted by: AndrewT

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 20:16

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Problem for me right now is finding a mic that's sensitive enough to do the job...


Hasn't anybody from this side of the pond offered to wander into Maplins and bulk-buy some of the mics the empeg guys used and ship them over?

I'm quite happy to do it if there's someone prepared to handle the US side of things.
Posted by: AndrewT

Re: v3a8 Release? - 05/08/2004 20:18

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Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.


Personally I'm more interested in tuner bugfixes. Are you aware of any improvements over 2.0 with this alpha?
Posted by: Daria

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 00:55

I know where I can get one, but when I'm done I expect they'll want it back
Posted by: Shonky

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 08:52

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Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.


Personally I'm more interested in tuner bugfixes. Are you aware of any improvements over 2.0 with this alpha?


Likewise, although AutoEQ would be cool to play with. I'm specifically looking for these issues getting fixed.

Playlist saving seemed to get broken between 3.00a3 and 3.00a5 from my testing although not many others experience the same issues.

Random marking is also really getting to annoy me because I do this.
Posted by: srhodes

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 09:56

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Just use Jemplode to open up the GIF file that Skunk made for you, and send it to the player.


I've avoided JEmplode as my home PC is a bit clunky and I didn't want the pain of installing JDK. I've tried uploading animated logo's using Logo Editor.

You're saying I may as well stick with v2.0 until the Beta comes out. I did try one of the early v3.0 alphas and liked some of the new options but reverted back due to emphatic not working.
Posted by: tonyc

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 12:23

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but reverted back due to emphatic not working.

Looks like you need to read the Programming forum...
Posted by: andym

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 13:17

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Personally I'm more interested in tuner bugfixes. Are you aware of any improvements over 2.0 with this alpha?


I was getting random crashes with a7 but switching off the random visuals seems to have sorted it out. I think the position saving on power down is sorted too. Other than that, I wouldn't say i'd had that many problems with a7 in the first place.
Posted by: alex25

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 13:23

I upgraded my empeg to 32MB and I have the unidirectional microphone. The only thing I don't have is the correpsonding software.
So if someone is willing to send me a copy, feel free to send me a pm.
Thanks
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 15:13

You need an omnidirectional mike.
Posted by: ricin

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 16:17

s/mike/mic/
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 17:00

No.

mike
mic
Posted by: ricin

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 17:32

Oh, OK, I'm an idiot.

I could've sworn mic was an abbreviation for microphone.

Call me Bitten.
Posted by: srhodes

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 19:31

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What you need, most likely, is merely the latest version of Jemplode

As always, you are right. How can I have got by without this? I keep seeing resource on this site and thinking that it is too technical for me. All it needs is a bit of time. I love the auto-Hijack loading feature. It appeals to my incredibly lazy nature.

Anyway, I finally have my Alfa logo loaded and ... I LIKE IT! Now, to have a play with the latest emphatic and peruse the lrcdb ...
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 19:31

Merriam-Webster can eat it.

Check any portable audio device, camcorder or mixer board. They all have "Mic In" or "Mic 1", "Mic 2", etc.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: v3a8 Release? - 06/08/2004 19:55

Yes, they do. They are also liable to say things like "Inp", "Eff", "Bal", "Para", "Ch", etc. However, I was not using an abbreviation. I was using another word that means "microphone".

Also, I agree with this guy about mike/mic usage, not that he's any particular authority on English usage, other than having a minor book published about it.
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver

Re: v3a8 Release? - 07/08/2004 02:39

I agree with him (and you now that I've read that), but I'd classify it under industry jargon rather than a proper English word. But I guess its common usage is reason enough to remind people of its "technician" roots.
Posted by: Shonky

Re: v3a8 Release? - 07/08/2004 02:50

So after all that (including the correct form when abbreviating microphone) is anyone willing to share 3a8?

I'd be interested to know what the empeg guys "learnt" this time around about releasing the alpha.
Posted by: ecoen

Re: v3a8 Release? - 12/08/2004 01:39

Ditto...

Any chance of getting an ISO image? Please PM.

Thanks