The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.I guess the issue is what's reasonable.
I had to sign a Patriot Act document saying I was who I said I wasI just asked my wife about this. She had an interesting take on it.
Before this form, your proof of identity happens at the end of the loan process, at the moment when you sign with the notary. With this form, you have to show your ID at the beginning of the process instead.
Does this mean that only drivers can apply for a loan?"Driver's License" and "Photo ID" are usually interchangeable terms. When someone says that they need to see your "Driver's License", in almost all cases they mean "Driver's License or equivalent photo identification that's considered valid and legal in this state". (Unless of course you've just been pulled over by the state police, in which case they really mean driver's license.)
Right, my point being that the photo ID part (the driver's license) was, until now, not requested from you until that last step.
Most states, (maybe all) have non driver ID's issued by the DMV with the same information, just a different endorsement or class printed on it.Heh, this (in conjuction with SSN) is so different from universal ID card used in many European countries (including mine)...
They did not ask for any ID at the beginning of the loan process.I thought you said you had to provide a photo ID for the Patriot Act form. You're telling me that they didn't have you fill out the patriot act form until the very end of the process? That's odd.
You're telling me that they didn't have you fill out the patriot act form until the very end of the process?
That's odd.
Heh, this (in conjuction with SSN) is so different from universal ID card used in many European countries
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WASHINGTON - In a stinging defeat for President Bush, Senate Democrats blocked passage Friday of a new Patriot Act to combat terrorism at home, depicting the measure as a threat to the constitutional liberties of innocent Americans.
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I don't understand why the legality of the Patriot Act hasn't been tested in court. Doesn't it violate the Constitution and nothing trumps the Constitution except for an ammendment to it?
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I don't understand why the legality of the Patriot Act hasn't been tested in court. Doesn't it violate the Constitution and nothing trumps the Constitution except for an ammendment to it?
Just look at the second amendment. It's been infringed for 70 years. Ironically, many people who are against the Patriot Act are for violating the 2nd amendment to the Constitution.
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I wonder how many people this thing has screwed over, over the last few years. I'm no expert, but I have a feeling that the ratio of successful uses of the act to instances in which it has fucked peoples lives up is pretty bad.
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I'm personally of the opinion that it doesn't make any difference if it was "successful" at all; it's still a violation of people's rights, even if those people are criminals.
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The USA PATRIOT Act ... (the name is actually an acronym: "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act.")
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"We were never at war with Oceana"
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This is a fundamental difference between say the Bush administration and the Clinton administration. I, the Bush administration and most conservatives don't see al-Qaeda as criminals. They are the enemy. They aren't partaking in acts of crime. They have declared war on our nation and have been engaged in acts of war.
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I don't understand why the legality of the Patriot Act hasn't been tested in court. Doesn't it violate the Constitution and nothing trumps the Constitution except for an ammendment to it?
Just look at the second amendment. It's been infringed for 70 years. Ironically, many people who are against the Patriot Act are for violating the 2nd amendment to the Constitution.
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On December 31st, the "wall" that forbids the CIA from sharing information with the FBI (which could have prevented 9/11) goes back into effect.
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That's where legitimate protection of Americans ends and the erosion of civil liberties begins.
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We're getting nervous up here, because we know who's next after the middle east is completely destroyed.
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We're getting nervous up here, because we know who's next after the middle east is completely destroyed.
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The "infringement" you speak of is what supreme court justices call "rulings," and "rulings" become "precedents." In the 70 years you speak of, we've had courts on the left, right, and center of any issue you can think of,who have all decided that "a well regulated militia" does not constitute unfettered access to any and all firearms.
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In the 70 years you speak of, we've had courts on the left, right, and center of any issue you can think of,who have all decided that "a well regulated militia" does not constitute unfettered access to any and all firearms.
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*Your interpretation* of the 2nd amendment has been "infringed on" for 70 years. Unless you were present at the signing of the Constitution, or are currently sitting as a judge on one of America's courts, your interpretation is no more or less valid than anyone else's.
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Blame Canada for poutine, a veritable heart attack on a plate
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Personally, I've heard of plenty of cases where it has been successful (and I assume there are plenty more we'll never hear about for 30 years) and very few cases of someone seriously wronged.
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I have more respect for the guys that opposed either the Patriot Act or the war in Iraq from the beginning
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I'm sure the 600 or so people being indefinitely detained at Guantanamo without being charged with a crime, without access to any legal representation will be greatly relieved to find out that our government is taking care of us.
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And, when you've got a President who authorized warrantless spying of any American who talks to anyone overseas
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our enemies have learned information they should not have, and the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk. Revealing classified information is illegal, alerts our enemies, and endangers our country.
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The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties.
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Doug, with all due respect, the Constitution exists to protect Americans, not foreigners who are captured in war.
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Yep, he protects your civil liberties by destroying your civil liberties.
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The US Government is trying to say that it is on foreign soil, thus the detainees there do not have rights they normally would have if held in an American prison.
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There is only one legal term applicable to 'detainees' in Guantamo: hostages.
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That's where legitimate protection of Americans ends and the erosion of civil liberties begins.
Yeah. It's now about on par with the West's view of the former Soviet Union. Arrest and indefinite detention without trial, lawyer, or even a phone call. Secret prisons, illegal kidnappings and extraditions happening in various countries. Fictional propaganda used to invade and occupy an innocent country.
We're getting nervous up here, because we know who's next after the middle east is completely destroyed.
Help..
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There is only one legal term applicable to 'detainees' in Guantamo: hostages.
Perhaps, but you must understand they are there as an alternative to having been killed. The fact that there are so many prisoners of war in these recent campaigns is actually a positive statement about modern first-world military ability to control lethal force and use it only as absolutely necessary. More prisoners is better than more killed soldiers, even if not perfect.