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#310617 - 29/05/2008 13:30 broken handle
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
can this handle be repaired?

when the 2 parts are put together they fit and you cant tell it's broken (you have to look close)


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#310620 - 29/05/2008 14:05 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Yes, that can be repaired rather easily, by drilling in from the side, lengthwise along the handle. Then tap threads and bolt it back together. Or glue in a pin instead of the threads/bolt method.

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#310622 - 29/05/2008 14:10 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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what would that cost to have it done? i dont have the skills or the tools to do it
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#310635 - 29/05/2008 15:27 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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Originally Posted By: Boelle
what would that cost to have it done? i dont have the skills or the tools to do it


I would charge EU15 for the service, but you would have to supply the necessary M2 machine screw tap, which I would also keep afterwards.

My local supplier-of-tiny-things has the M2x12mm screws, but not the taps. The taps are available from many places online, including the eBay.co.uk link above.

There's also airmail postage to consider, to/from Canada. You can save one direction by handing me the parts at the 10th Birthday Meet.

Cheers


Edited by mlord (29/05/2008 15:29)

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#310636 - 29/05/2008 15:34 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: mlord
.. you would have to supply the necessary M2 machine screw tap, which I would also keep afterwards.

Here's another possible source for the tap.

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#310637 - 29/05/2008 15:37 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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Originally Posted By: mlord
Yes, that can be repaired rather easily, by drilling in from the side, lengthwise along the handle. Then tap threads and bolt it back together. Or glue in a pin instead of the threads/bolt method.


Another repair method, stronger but more intrusive, might be to slice a thin slot through the corner section (from bottom/side), and then fill it with an angled metal plate, pinned (rivets or screws) in place.

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#310638 - 29/05/2008 15:43 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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it's an fair price (plus you can do the service for others)

will the screws be sticking out for will it be a flat surface?

what would the airmail postage be from canada?
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#310639 - 29/05/2008 16:00 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: Boelle
will the screws be sticking out for will it be a flat surface?

One screw, flush. The screw head could be covered with expoxy and painted black afterwards, if you want an invisible repair.

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what would the airmail postage be from canada?

EDIT: It should be in the range of CAD$8-16, one way.


Edited by mlord (29/05/2008 16:01)

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#310641 - 29/05/2008 16:08 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
oki... i just have to complete the harddisk check before i order the tap
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#310886 - 03/06/2008 11:43 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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going to order the tapset from expo

i would prefer the metod with drilling from the side and then use a flush mounted screw

since i know it's an repaired handle i also know to be more gentle with it, so the repair is more for cosmetics reasons, which would keep my GF happy

mark are you still up for trying the repair?
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#310896 - 03/06/2008 12:29 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: Boelle
mark are you still up for trying the repair?


Sure. No guarantee that it will succeed (first time ever for this),
but I do think it is very likely to work out nicely.

Cheers

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#310897 - 03/06/2008 12:32 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: Boelle
going to order the tapset from expo


To be honest, I have more confidence in the other source -- I'm hoping they use HSS or something harder than basic carbon steel like expo. But for a single hole, the expo one should work.

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#310899 - 03/06/2008 12:37 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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well expo is writing about HSS.. but either way if the tap breaks or snaps i will just order from the other source

sorry for beeing so quick at ordering

for me it seems strange to use two differnt kinds of metal in the same set.. mu guess is that they just have mixed up the words (with happens a lot these days)
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#310902 - 03/06/2008 12:46 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: Boelle
well expo is writing about HSS.. but either way if the tap breaks or snaps i will just order from the other source

sorry for beeing so quick at ordering

for me it seems strange to use two differnt kinds of metal in the same set.. mu guess is that they just have mixed up the words (with happens a lot these days)


No, that's pretty normal: HSS for drills is standard now. But carbon steel for taps is common, because it makes them easier to manufacture, and expo is selling to the plastic modeling crowd who don't have particularly high demands there.

All of my existing taps here use tungsten steel, which is harder even than HSS (but more brittle).

But for one hole in soft metal, the carbon steel one should work, so long as it doesn't snap off on me (Mmm.. less than 2mm thick.. Mmm..).

Cheers

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#310903 - 03/06/2008 12:48 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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i hope it does not kill or harm you crazy
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#322921 - 02/06/2009 15:26 Re: broken handle [Re: Boelle]
Rezolution
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Registered: 24/01/2002
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So what ever happened with this handle repair?

Sadly today, I dropped my empeg about 5 feet (after 10 years of no accidents) and it landed on concrete. I now suffer from a broken handle (I rebent all the other parts already back into shape).

My handle is broken in the same spot as the one pictured in the first page of the thread. Is anyone repairing them?

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#322934 - 02/06/2009 20:29 Re: broken handle [Re: Rezolution]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14482
Loc: Canada
The repair attempt (for Boelle) failed --50/50 chance, and we hit the wrong 50.

I think any machinist could fix it for you, though, with better odds than 50/50.

Cheers

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#322951 - 03/06/2009 10:35 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
Rezolution
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Same for me...

Epoxy - Fail

Gorilla Glue - Epic Fail

I guess I'll actively persue a machinist.

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#322953 - 03/06/2009 12:49 Re: broken handle [Re: Rezolution]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Welding (and grinding) seems the appropriate solution here.
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#322954 - 03/06/2009 13:57 Re: broken handle [Re: wfaulk]
Robotic
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Originally Posted By: wfaulk
Welding (and grinding) seems the appropriate solution here.
What is the metal?
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#322955 - 03/06/2009 14:04 Re: broken handle [Re: Robotic]
mlord
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Probably an aluminium-magnesium alloy, cast into shape with a mold.


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#322956 - 03/06/2009 15:10 Re: broken handle [Re: mlord]
Robotic
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It should be weldable then, with TIG and 4043 filler.

The most difficult part will be holding shape tolerances.

I'd offer to try, but I don't have the equipment and haven't had a torch in my hand for almost 10 years.
Wow- time flies!
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#322957 - 03/06/2009 16:04 Re: broken handle [Re: Robotic]
wfaulk
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I'm not a very good welder, but I have access to the appropriate equipment. If I screw up, though, it might end up ruined.
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#322962 - 03/06/2009 18:09 Re: broken handle [Re: wfaulk]
larry818
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Registered: 01/10/2002
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My guess it it's probably zinc and other leftover stuff. See if someone has an expendable one to try welding first.

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#322963 - 03/06/2009 19:11 Re: broken handle [Re: larry818]
Robotic
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Originally Posted By: larry818
My guess it it's probably zinc and other leftover stuff. See if someone has an expendable one to try welding first.

aka Pot Metal.
It's a bit tricky to weld.
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#322964 - 03/06/2009 19:16 Re: broken handle [Re: Robotic]
wfaulk
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Any blue people know for sure?
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#322965 - 03/06/2009 19:37 Re: broken handle [Re: Robotic]
tfabris
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#322966 - 03/06/2009 20:02 Re: broken handle [Re: tfabris]
tfabris
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By the way, if anyone tries that stuff for an Empeg handle, please report your results, I want it in the FAQ if it works.
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#322967 - 03/06/2009 20:37 Re: broken handle [Re: tfabris]
Robotic
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Originally Posted By: tfabris

Just to be nit-picky...

From their FAQ
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I thought welding meant that the parent metal was melted, so how can you consider your products "welding"?
The dictionary definition of welding is:
To join (metals) by applying heat, sometimes with pressure and sometimes with an intermediate or filler metal having a high melting point.

To bring into close association or union.

Based on this definition, yes, our welding products are welding.

However, *anyone* who knows will tell you that 'welding' involves melting the base metal to form a common weld puddle.
If the base metal parts are not melted, then you are performing either brazing or soldering, depending on the melting temperature of the filler material.

At 350F, their product is technically 'soldering'.

Could be a very good option, none-the-less.
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#322968 - 03/06/2009 20:58 Re: broken handle [Re: Robotic]
tfabris
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Yeah, I agree that it doesn't match my definition of "welding", but if "soldering" repairs an empeg handle enough to be usable again, that's plenty for our purposes.
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