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#204585 - 15/02/2004 17:27 CS4132A not found
weasel new poster Registered: 09/11/2003 Posts: 7 Loc: Berkshire, UK	Hi, Please can someone help, how do i get this chip replaced? Can i use anyone in the UK? Thanks in advance Jason
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#204586 - 15/02/2004 22:42 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: weasel]
cushman veteran Registered: 21/01/2002 Posts: 1380 Loc: Erie, CO	Check the Eutronix link at the top of the BBS. They will do any repairs but are based in the US. _________________________ Mark Cushman
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#204587 - 16/02/2004 01:21 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: weasel]
Daria carpal tunnel Registered: 24/01/2002 Posts: 3937 Loc: Providence, RI	What a CS4132A, and what does it have to do with an empeg? Since the DSP is a CS4231A, I assume it's something else
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#204588 - 16/02/2004 03:12 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: Daria]
andym carpal tunnel Registered: 17/01/2002 Posts: 3995 Loc: Manchester UK	Isn't it something to do with Aux In? I'm sure that's what died on my first empeg. _________________________ Cheers, Andy M
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#204589 - 16/02/2004 06:50 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: andym]
weasel new poster Registered: 09/11/2003 Posts: 7 Loc: Berkshire, UK	Sorry i should have said this before; I am getting hard disk not found contact support. I then ran Terminal session on com1 while the device boots and it tells me CS4132A is not found.
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#204590 - 16/02/2004 07:21 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: weasel]
pgrzelak carpal tunnel Registered: 15/08/2000 Posts: 4859 Loc: New Jersey, USA	Before you try anything else, triple check your power supply. There might be a power problem, and not specifically a bad chip. _________________________ *Paul Grzelak* 200GB with 48MB RAM, Illuminated Buttons and Digital Outputs
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#204591 - 16/02/2004 10:37 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: pgrzelak]
weasel new poster Registered: 09/11/2003 Posts: 7 Loc: Berkshire, UK	I'm guessing it's not the power supply. I have two which I’ve tried, one that came with the unit and a replacement supply. I guess something happened when I dropped it and it then decided to bounce across the floor and roll under my car!
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#204592 - 16/02/2004 10:43 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: Daria]
genixia Carpal Tunnel Registered: 08/02/2002 Posts: 3411	Since the DSP is a CS4231A,... Actually the DSP is an SAA7705H. The CS4231A is a codec. The CS4231A is used to sample analogue inputs into the empeg, eg Aux In, tuner etc so that the visuals can be used. Note that the DSP is still responsible for the audio related to those inputs. _________________________ Mk2a 60GB Blue. Serial 030102962 sig.mp3: File Format not Valid.
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#204593 - 16/02/2004 11:18 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: genixia]
Daria carpal tunnel Registered: 24/01/2002 Posts: 3937 Loc: Providence, RI	That's... very odd. On Sparc hardware, it's the DSP, inasmuch as anything is.
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#204594 - 16/02/2004 12:13 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: genixia]
mlord carpal tunnel Registered: 29/08/2000 Posts: 14484 Loc: Canada	MMm.. I wonder if we can just "code around it" in the kernel for the case where this chip is dead? Oh, I suppose not, since it also kills the HD controller for some reason. Cheers
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#204595 - 16/02/2004 14:58 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: mlord]
andym carpal tunnel Registered: 17/01/2002 Posts: 3995 Loc: Manchester UK	I would've have thought the HD controller problem was co-incidental. In my experience a dead chip would crash the player app to the point where the only remedy for me was reflashing the player. However starting the player with -i might solve it had I known at the time, assuming the -i makes the player app default to mp3 playback instead of tuner/aux in. _________________________ Cheers, Andy M
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#204596 - 16/02/2004 15:04 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: andym]
mlord carpal tunnel Registered: 29/08/2000 Posts: 14484 Loc: Canada	My experience (from reading logfiles posted here by others) is that when the CSxxxx chip is dead, the kernel also cannot talk to the hard drives.. so it doesn't even get so far as to load the player with any options! -ml
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#204597 - 16/02/2004 15:13 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: mlord]
image old hand Registered: 28/04/2002 Posts: 770 Loc: Los Angeles, CA	ogg vorbis works fine with streaming with winamp 2.91 popping up, but its freezing/crashing with "reading id3" then "error syncing to mpeg" when i try FLAC files. [edit]wow, this reply was supposed to be for this thread. sorry.[/edit] Edited by image (16/02/2004 16:08)
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#204598 - 16/02/2004 15:25

Re: CS4132A not found [Re: mlord]

andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK

Here's the old boot log from my knackered unit. Is this a case of dyslexia or are there two chips a 4132 and a 4231. Because as you can see from the log it can't initalise the chip but the player carries on functioning.


empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 ([email protected])

If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let themspeak now,

or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins ofLinux!



e000 v1.04

Copying kernel...

Calling linux kernel...

Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, bootingthe kerne

l.

Linux version 2.2.14-rmk5-np17-empeg50 ([email protected])(gcc versi

on 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #5 Sat Dec 22 10:18:24 GMT 2001

Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11

NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel ComputerCorp.

empeg-car player (hardware revision 9, serial number 40104298)

Command line: mem=16m

Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS

Memory: 15024k/16M available (964k code, 20k reserved, 372k data, 4kinit)

Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k)

Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k)

Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k)

POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX

Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2

Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039

NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0

IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP

TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)

IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli)

Linux-IrDA: IrCOMM protocol ( revision:Tue May 18 03:11:39 1999 )

ircomm_tty: virtual tty driver for IrCOMM ( revision:Wed May 26 00:49:111999 )

Starting kswapd v 1.5

SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled

ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART

ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART

ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART

Signature is 67706d65 'empg'

Scheduling custom logo.

empeg display initialised.

empeg dsp audio initialised

empeg dsp mixer initialised

empeg dsp initialised

Could not find CS4231A (version=80)

empeg remote control/panel button initialised.

empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012

empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0004600).

empeg RDS driver initialised

empeg power-pic driver initialised (first boot)

RAM disk driver initialized:  16 RAM disks of 4096K size

empeg single channel IDE

Probing primary interface...

hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive

hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive

hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive

hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive

hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive

hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive

ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6

hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, 9590MB w/2048kB Cache, CHS=19485/16/63

empeg-flash driver initialized

smc chip id/revision 0x3349

smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman ([email protected])



SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC00:02:d7:28:10:c

a

Partition check:

 hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 > hda2 hda3 hda4

RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0

RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done.

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).

empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601)

Press Ctrl-A to enter pump...VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem)readonly.

change_root: old root has d_count  player.cpp        : 550:empeg-car2.00-beta7

(internal) 2001/12/22.

_________________________
Cheers,

Andy M

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#204599 - 16/02/2004 15:44 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: andym]
mlord carpal tunnel Registered: 29/08/2000 Posts: 14484 Loc: Canada	Cool! First time I've see a failure log for that chip, where the hard drives still worked! Okay, so it's not a blanket case either way. Mmm...
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#204600 - 16/02/2004 15:50 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: andym]
genixia Carpal Tunnel Registered: 08/02/2002 Posts: 3411	it can't initalise the chip but the player carries on functioning Hmm. Interested to know what limitations it might have. Can you check Aux In, and visuals in Aux In ? _________________________ Mk2a 60GB Blue. Serial 030102962 sig.mp3: File Format not Valid.
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#204601 - 16/02/2004 16:33 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: genixia]
weasel new poster Registered: 09/11/2003 Posts: 7 Loc: Berkshire, UK	ok, stupid bloke continues to read the log from terminal and notices that it has this; Probing primary interface... Probing primary interface... Probing primary interface... and so on. The disk is ok i can check that part, can't check the cable. I guess it the cable or something else. thanks for helping me read a log file (i feel so stupid now)
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#204602 - 16/02/2004 23:18 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: weasel]
mlord carpal tunnel Registered: 29/08/2000 Posts: 14484 Loc: Canada	As I said above, if you see Could not find CS4231A (version=80), then it probably will also cause hard drive problems. The real problem is in the CS4231A chip; the hard drive is just a side-effect, and is probably just fine (once the CS4231A hardware gets fixed).
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#204603 - 17/02/2004 04:29 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: genixia]
andym carpal tunnel Registered: 17/01/2002 Posts: 3995 Loc: Manchester UK	Hmm. Interested to know what limitations it might have. Can you check Aux In, and visuals in Aux In ? As I said earlier in the post, everything would be fine until you select the Aux in (I didn't have a tuner at the time but I'd imagine it would do the same) the player would then lock and it couldn't restart. This was nearly 2 years ago, the unit went back for repair and came back with a different serial number. _________________________ Cheers, Andy M
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#204604 - 17/02/2004 11:21 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: andym]
genixia Carpal Tunnel Registered: 08/02/2002 Posts: 3411	Hmm. I should learn to read! _________________________ Mk2a 60GB Blue. Serial 030102962 sig.mp3: File Format not Valid.
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#204605 - 29/08/2004 02:41 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: weasel]
drakino carpal tunnel Registered: 08/06/1999 Posts: 7868	Could not find CS4231A (version=80) Just started happening on my spare unit, and now it's pretty consistant. Some times it works, other times it fails. Oddly on my drive to and from work, it never booted properly until I got to my destination. Player hangs at "Loading audio..." now for obvious reasons. So, what is involved in getting this repaired? This empeg also now has a bad rotary encoder, and considering it either assumes it's 1970 or 2038, a bad clock capacitor.
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#204606 - 29/08/2004 17:21 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: drakino]
schofiel carpal tunnel Registered: 25/06/1999 Posts: 2993 Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK	I have the stock of spare 4231As. In about three weeks.... Rotary encoders I have lots of. The backup battery is in fact a supercap on board: this is likely to be the fault, rather than the chip. _________________________ One of the few remaining Mk1 owners... #00015
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#204607 - 30/08/2004 21:04 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: schofiel]
maczrool pooh-bah Registered: 13/01/2002 Posts: 1649 Loc: Louisiana, USA	If you need a CS4231A, Hugo sent us bunch. We could send you one your way. Stu _________________________ If you want it to break, buy Sony!
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#204608 - 31/08/2004 00:06 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: drakino]
mlord carpal tunnel Registered: 29/08/2000 Posts: 14484 Loc: Canada	The first step in the "repair" is to complete the diagnosis.. post a full boot log -- the reporting of this chip having failed sometimes is misleading. It seems that the same report is often given whenever anything on the peripheral bus fails.. like the IDE header in some cases. Cheers
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#204609 - 31/08/2004 02:57 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: mlord]
drakino carpal tunnel Registered: 08/06/1999 Posts: 7868	empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 ([email protected]) If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now, or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux! e000 v1.04 Copying kernel... Calling linux kernel... Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kernel. Linux version 2.2.17-rmk5-np17-empeg52-hijack-v413 ([email protected]) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (rel ease)) #2 Tue Aug 17 18:05:30 EDT 2004 Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11 Checking for extra DRAM: c1000000: wrote ffffffff, read e91ba9f0 NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp. empeg-car player (hardware revision 9, serial number 30102497) 16MB DRAM Command line: mem=16m Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS Memory: 15008k/16M available (984k code, 20k reserved, 368k data, 4k init) Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k) Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k) Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k) POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384) IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) Starting kswapd v 1.5 SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART Signature is 20706d65 'emp ' Tuner: loopback=0, ID=-1 empeg display initialised. empeg dsp audio initialised empeg dsp mixer initialised empeg dsp initialised Could not find CS4231A (version=80) empeg remote control/panel button initialised. empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012 empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0004c00). empeg RDS driver initialised empeg power-pic driver initialised (first boot) RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size empeg single channel IDE Probing primary interface... hda: IBM-DJSA-210, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6 hda: IBM-DJSA-210, 9590MB w/384kB Cache, CHS=19485/16/63 empeg-flash driver initialized smc chip id/revision 0x3349 smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman ([email protected]) SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:26:09:c1 Partition check: hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 > hda2 hda3 hda4 RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601) Press Ctrl-A to enter pump...VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=1 Trying to unmount old root ... okay Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8 I see this is a developer image! Mounting proc Mounting first music partition Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19 Mounting second music partition Tried to mount /dev/hdc4 but got error 6 Error mounting partitions (possibly already mounted) Remounting first music partition read-only Remounting second music partition read-only No secondary hard disk Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To ComStarting player Timezone: Atlantic/South_Georgia Hijack: intercepting config.ini /bin/sh: /mnt/telnetd: No such file or directory /bin/sh: exec: /mnt/telnetd: cannot execute: No such file or directory /bin/sh: /usr/local/bin/ntpclienthijack: removed menu entry: "Serial Port Assignment" : Permission denikhttpd: listening on port 80 ed /bin/kftpd: listening on port 21 sh: exec: /usr/local/bin/ntpclient: cannot execute: Permission denied Using non-standard cache size 90 (bonus 0Mb, adjustment 10) player.cpp : 579:empeg-car 3.00-alpha8 2004/07/07. ---------------------- And that is where the screen hangs on the player "Starting audio..." Oddly, doing a Ctrl-C then running ./player -i brings her back. Leading me to believe this is a problem somewhere with the Aux In somehow. The only time the problem reappears is if the player is powered down in Aux mode. Selecting aux while the player is running fine causes it to lock. I think this is the first time I have ever used the aux in on the spare, so something could have been out of whack from day one, and I never noticed.
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#204610 - 31/08/2004 07:33 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: drakino]
schofiel carpal tunnel Registered: 25/06/1999 Posts: 2993 Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK	The 4231A handles the AUX IN function for the system. If you believe that the rest is working, then it does in fact look like an isolated chip failure. Getting the chip is not a problem. However, getting it off the board without damaging the tracking, and then sucessfully soldering a new one on, is. I have done it sucessfully twice, in two attempts, so I must be lucky - however, PLEASE don't just make an attempt because you know how to solder - if you pull the tracking off the board, the player is DEAD. Think carefully before you do this. _________________________ One of the few remaining Mk1 owners... #00015
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#204611 - 31/08/2004 07:58 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: drakino]
andym carpal tunnel Registered: 17/01/2002 Posts: 3995 Loc: Manchester UK	Quote: And that is where the screen hangs on the player "Starting audio..." Oddly, doing a Ctrl-C then running ./player -i brings her back. Leading me to believe this is a problem somewhere with the Aux In somehow. The only time the problem reappears is if the player is powered down in Aux mode. Selecting aux while the player is running fine causes it to lock. I think this is the first time I have ever used the aux in on the spare, so something could have been out of whack from day one, and I never noticed. This sounds identical to my old problem.... Quote: I would've have thought the HD controller problem was co-incidental. In my experience a dead chip would crash the player app to the point where the only remedy for me was reflashing the player. However starting the player with -i might solve it had I known at the time, assuming the -i makes the player app default to mp3 playback instead of tuner/aux in. Quote: As I said earlier in the post, everything would be fine until you select the Aux in (I didn't have a tuner at the time but I'd imagine it would do the same) the player would then lock and it couldn't restart. This was nearly 2 years ago, the unit went back for repair and came back with a different serial number. _________________________ Cheers, Andy M
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#204612 - 31/08/2004 20:48 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: drakino]
mlord carpal tunnel Registered: 29/08/2000 Posts: 14484 Loc: Canada	USB & ethernet look good, so up, it's the CS4132A -- these just seem to up and die for no good reason. Needs a new one. Good Luck. Cheers
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#204613 - 01/09/2004 05:20 Re: CS4132A not found [Re: schofiel]
drakino carpal tunnel Registered: 08/06/1999 Posts: 7868	Quote: however, PLEASE don't just make an attempt because you know how to solder - if you pull the tracking off the board, the player is DEAD. Think carefully before you do this. You must be mistaking me for someone else. I think if I ever tried to solder, half the electronics in my house would grow legs and walk out :-) I'll look at getting someone to fix this at a later time. Unfortunatly my neighboor seems persistant on pushing his problems on to me, so I need to wait till that is over before I spend much on anything.
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